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Re: Traps should be nerfed I enjoyed reading the ideas for improving trapping.  Instead of saying nerf or buff, I would like to see some additional realism added to trapping.  I realize that the OP mostly talked about pit traps which are used with a fence.  My trapping experience mostly involves deadfall traps.
  • Traps should not be triggered just by an animal entering the tile, with the exception of pit traps and possibly loop snares.  When an animal tries taking the bait, the trap should have a chance to trigger.  A triggered trap should have a chance to hurt and/or capture the animal.
  • Traps should not last forever.  This could be modeled by them having a chance to trigger after a few days have passed.  Perhaps a new action could be added to replace the traditional kick and reset, (s)kill t(r)apping (i)nspect as a convenience to offset the additional work required.  Baits already spoil but they should probably diminish over time as they are consumed by insects.
  • Inspecting a trap which failed should give the character a chance to increase their trapping skill.  This could also give the player some feedback on why the trap failed and a hint about how to proceed.
  • Animals encountering wrong sized traps might steal the bait.  A lynx or wolf could probably escape from a paw board trap, but a bear would certainly knock it over and have a free meal.  A fox or other small predator might be able to steal bait from a larger deadfall trap without triggering it.
  • Some animals could learn over time and become trap shy or to follow your character around to steal your baits.  It seems like ravens do this already, I always seem to encounter them at my trapping sites.  Imagine a lynx that found a grouse that had been captured by a loop snare. This would encourage some problem solving and lead to great satisfaction when you finally bag that pesky critter.
  • Loop snares should require a tree nearby, possibly a bush, that would provide the tension.
  • Scattering additional bait could improve the chance of attracting animals.
November 21, 2020, 01:13:25 AM 		1
Re: Buff up the elks, add swimming and jumping over fences Idk how many readers are familiar with struggling in deep snow, but here's one more example of the power of the elk (they call it moose, same thing).

The display of power starts about 1:30 into the video. Enjoy.

https://cottagelife.com/outdoors/watch-a-moose-gallop-through-waist-deep-snow-like-its-thin-air
November 26, 2020, 12:20:03 PM 		1
Re: Point and click start location https://www.unrealworld.fi/forums/index.php?topic=6072

Progress bump
December 05, 2020, 10:30:50 AM 		1
[Tool] WhereIsMyRobber - a "Homeland Robbers" tedium remedy WhereIsMyRobber

Have you haver got bored to death by looking for the robbers in the "Homeland Robbers" quest? Do you have some better use for your time, rather than exploring 20x20 tiles one by one? Then this is for you.

If you never had the pleasure the excruciating experience of this quest, you need to kill a group of robbers which are troubling some villagers. Yet, the real challenge of this quest is not the fight, but actually finding these robbers, for which you are given just a indicative area of their location.

But, despite being 4 robbers with a shelter, the robbers do not appear on the zoomed-out map; looking for trails on the zoomed-out map won't work either. Even standing on their actual location tile won't prompt the encounter on the zoom-in map, like instead occurs when you meet a squirrel or other animals.
How are we supposed to spot a squirrel hiding on a tree but miss a roaming squad of robbers I have no idea. Especially because the robbers are supposedly looking for victims to assault. Yet, you could spend days in the area without never being approached.

So, the only way to find them is zooming into every single individual tile of the area, hoping to be lucky. Obviously, it is not the most time-efficient way, given that there could be about 400 tiles to look into. 

In conclusion, I think this quest is too broken to be enjoyable, and I looked for some solution by digging into the game files.

Here I make available a simple Python script to find the nearest robbers, and give instructions on how to reach them.

Instructions

  • Install Python 3.8 or later versions from here. This is required to run the script
  • Copy the script into the folder of your savegame. This is the folder with the same name as your character that is located in the game folder
  • Save your game with your character near the area where the robbers are supposed to be found
  • Run the script by double clicking on it. On Windows, a Python window will open with a text prompt
  • Press enter in the text prompt, and the script will look for the nearest robber and give you instructions on how to reach it on the zoomed-out map

I have tested this on Linux. Please let me know if it works also on other platforms. There are no reasons it shouldn't but I am ready to fix it if there is some quirk

Visual example
The robber quest area
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Where are they hiding?!
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They were so close!!
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On the specified tile, no tracks. Is it really the correct one?
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Zooming-in reveals the robbers' shelter! The robbers must not be far
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And there they are
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Notes
  • The script does not know which robbers belong to the quest. It will simply show you the location of the robbers closest to you. That's why it's better you run it after you are near the quest area
  • If you keep pressing enter in the prompt, the script will display farther and farther robbers.

Technical details
For this script I have partially decoded the CRS and URS savegame files.
While it is not within the scope of this script, it is possible to use this script to reveal the location of any creature/human near the player. I have already decoded the "id" bytes for other entities different than robbers, like wolves, bears, njerpez, elks etc. But that would be cheating, and it would make exploring meaningless and the game boring.   

If you want to contribute to "decoding" the creature files, you can find the script repository here:
https://github.com/pietralbi/urw-data-scripts

I might make a small modification to make this work also for the "wounded adventurer quest", by locating the assaulting bear, since that quest is just as broken as this one. But at least the "wounded adventurer" gives you a hint on the terrain-neighbouring terrain where the shelter is, which limits a lot the tiles to explore.
December 05, 2020, 02:57:07 PM 		1
Re: [Tool] WhereIsMyRobber - a "Homeland Robber" tedium remedy Fantastic work, glad to see you're back ^^.

Took a look at the code, overall very good work.
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I noticed you we're documenting the data for entities on the github page, maybe ill write something up for scraping purposes.

Uploading a txt file w/ what I've documented for the struct, I'll look into the github page later and see if I can add it there later.

Heres some notes on the file, for readability purposes.
December 05, 2020, 11:51:08 PM 		1
Re: [Tool] WhereIsMyRobber - a "Homeland Robbers" tedium remedy Hi Night, thanks for the feedback, and for sharing your documentation on the CRS file!

I'd like to cross check the entity struct with the OBJ file, maybe we can identify the inventory, with the possibility of injecting modded items on creatures and characters. Or even spawning new entities!

One thing I couldn't find is how the game knows that those are the robbers associated to the quest. Maybe their position on the entity array is stored somewhere?
December 06, 2020, 05:48:02 AM 		1
Re: [Tool] WhereIsMyRobber - a "Homeland Robbers" tedium remedy
Quote from: aat on December 06, 2020, 05:48:02 AM
Hi Night, thanks for the feedback, and for sharing your documentation on the CRS file!

I'd like to cross check the entity struct with the OBJ file, maybe we can identify the inventory, with the possibility of injecting modded items on creatures and characters. Or even spawning new entities!

One thing I couldn't find is how the game knows that those are the robbers associated to the quest. Maybe their position on the entity array is stored somewhere?

It's possible they're marked somehow in the entity struct, a better way to identify them is maybe cross referencing their position with any new data related to the shelter/items generated around them, I'm not sure if it's generated fully when the quest begins but, I suspect if it is then the map tile with the items on ground+shelter is likely saved into ZOOMMAPS. then its just a matter of referencing that locations x/y to your robber's x/y.

There are a lot of steps needed in order to create new objects/entities and place them, etc. Entities item ID's seem to be located at 0x1B4, extending as far as 0x1CC. I have not yet found the quantity with certainty.

for item ID's, the ID (50042 for example) - 50000 = the index of the item in the Character.OBJ file, I believe the item struct is 172 bytes long, and I may or may not have posted some information on it elseware around here, but I have a majority of the struct mapped, with the exception of a few unknown values I have yet to identify, and some values I have not fully tested yet to determine their full scope.

As for cross referencing stuff, might edit one of the wiki's with struct information, as my experience so far using the fandom wiki has been pleasant and easy to share/edit.

Also I'm still around on discord if you want to chat directly of course ^^.
December 06, 2020, 09:54:19 AM 		1
Re: Has the hoarding limit been increased? Another strategy to avoid trouble with hoarding is to make things stackable. That doesn't work for everything, but clothing can be converted into bandages and/or cords. Badly worn clothing recovered from slain enemies are better converted into something useful, as you're not going to use them as clothing anyway (you can keep a set of "beggar's clothing" for bandit quest recon purposes).

It can also be noted that constructions count as stacks, so a wall made out of normal logs and rain felled logs consists of two stacks, while a fence can consist of three stacks of inferior, poor, and decent quality stakes, plus two stacks of withes (each withe of a different quality).

However, making sure every item of the same type is stored on the same tile goes a long way towards consolidating things into piles (it can be noted that the game doesn't consolidate piles into common piles on its own if they change to become compatible, so if you throw all your stale meat onto a pile and it rots, and you keep doing that for a long time, you can get a fair number of different stacks of the same kind of rotten meat that consolidate if you pick them up and drop them again).
December 20, 2020, 08:46:30 PM 		1
Re: Island challenge stories Sure. After a year of waiting for travellers I got fed up waiting and decided to swim even if don't see islands to the east. There are rare spots to wade and rest out at sea I was hoping to hit one but didn't.

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Good fishing skill shields from starving but it is more important to just go and starve if the water is warm enough. Water might get chilly again and then you're stuck. It must say "you feel comfortably warm" after you enter the water. If you misjudge water temperature, it is an sure way to die of hypothermia way off shore.

Here's a link to the main challenge topic. It contains a link to the swimming guide I learnt from. Not sure if its 100% accurate on the "return when moderately fatigued", though. Might be outdated info. Fatigue seems to rise more quickly when you are already fatigued, might be successful skill check based. I just don't know for sure how it works.

Punitive island winter challenge
Swimming_(Skill)
December 22, 2020, 10:49:05 PM 		1
Re: Since calves' graphic is resized...
Quote from: Buoidda on December 21, 2020, 10:16:42 AM
So I modded some elk tracks and noticed the lack of dedicated calf graphic, which lead me to think the calves' graphic in game is actually just resized adult one.

And I immediately though that it would be relatively simple to have this:

  • in late spring and summer you'd meet the tiny calves we see now
  • in autumn and winter (winter fur time) they'd be say, about 50%, of the adult

Of course the meat yield and skin sizes would vary accordingly.

This all is featured already. The calves graphic icon grows as they grow. Their skin and meat yield is based on their size.
December 25, 2020, 02:15:19 PM 		1
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